How to participate in the liveblog chat:
Option 1: Whenever you watch the episode, comment on this post as you watch with whatever responses you feel like posting!
Option 2: Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/. Enter a nickname, then for the Channels field enter ##rabbitcube, and finally fill in the Captcha and hit Connect! We'll be watching the episode and commenting there starting at 3:00 p.m. EST. At least... hopefully someone will? I currently have no idea whether I'll be doing it--I'm going to a season finale party, but thanks to some miscommunications it is no longer clear whether the season finale will actually be viewable at said party. So if I watch it there, then I'm obviously not going to be able to participate in the liveblog. But if I don't, then I will.
Anyway, if I do not do the liveblog, can one of you worthy folk please keep the log and post it in comments below? If I do make it, I'll post it here myself.
I ended up doing both! Liveblog below the cut!
<@> Oh, Spike
<> Load damn you load!
<> Heheh, take that RD's ego.
<> "Point taken."
<> AJ got it right, it's not a different way of smiling and waving.
<@> Oh yikes
<> Twilight has a point, she hasnt done much as a princess.
<@> The fans will NOT be happy about him
<@> Ah, so THIS is who those nobleponies were in Equestria Games
<> I remember these guys from the Games!
<> Oh, that was him, wasn't he! Thought the voice was familiar.
<> THAT WAS IT oh Spke beat me to it.
<> Are you slightly behind Whiteeyes? Want us to pause for 10 seconds?
<@> Yeah, the fanbase utterly loathes him
<> Nah, im good.
<@> Oh yikes...
<@> Who is he supposed to be?
<> I don't really know.
<> Duke of something.
<@> Hey, she's the Princess of Books
<@> Ooh, musical number
<> Yeah, I liked that comic.
<@> They went all-out for this one
<> Yeah, solid animation bump.
<@> Ooh, Celestia gets to sing!
<> I wonder if there's an aurora every time she sings.
<> Also: Twilight/Luna parallel, I see you.
<@> And of course she's going to get her "castle" thanks to the castle of the sisters
<@> Wow, this is an elaborate number
<@> Oh, are we about to meet the villain?
<@> Please be Tirek, please be Tirek...
<@> Or not
<> Good thing about having it on Ipad, I can take it with me
<@> Did he say Tirek?! This is Tirek!
<> Not just Tirek.
<> Explicitly the *return* of Tirek.
<> MAGIC EATER!
<> The CUTIE MARK IS GONE!
<@> HOLY ROADAPPLES
<@> Does this mean G1 is canon?
<> It's really hard to say.
<> THE BOOK!
<@> Whoa, that was Star Swirl the Bearded
<@> Ooh, are we going to see Tartarus?
<> How much G1 would there be?
<> Season 2 escape, so...less than a year?
<@> Ah yes, that look they gave Fluttershy
<> Fluttershy is right, give him a chance! He's good now!
<@> Yep, that castle is going to be her "kingdom"
<> If you're all jerks to him, of course he'll be a jerk back.
<@> Is he wearing a Tom Baker scarf?
<> No, he was dressed as Mary Poppins.
<> Marry Poppins!
<@> General MacArthur?
<@> Ah yes, Mary Poppins
<@> Oh yikes, Princess Discord
<@> That will be the new meme
<@> Ooh, the box
<> RD was kinda jerk there.
<@> Wait, Discord WANTS her to open it?
<@> What's he up to?
<> Discord, see he's being nice in his own way!
<> I seriously love not-actually-evil-just-a-manipulative-jerk Discord.
<> Even Flutttershy isn't buying that one.
<@> Oh jeepers
<> Did Discord just mark the keys for them?
<@> Yep, he even used labels matching the colors
<> Discord is best tricster mentor.
<@> Ah, of course they know each other
<> Discord pwns.
<> Yeay Fluttsershy!
<@> And the world of fanfiction did tremble
<> Tirek is perfectly manipulating this.
<> He really is. Makes sense, he is the senior villain.
<@> Oh, will this be Discord's ACTUAL redemption? He falls for Tirek's silver tongue, but has to learn that it actually does mean something to him?
<> Discord, think about it, this would make Fluttershy cry!
<@> Eeyup, he marked the keys for them
<> See, her picture is one of your three possessions in the world!
<> We don't need all the flashbacks!
<@> Ah yes, the clip show episode
<> At least the clips are really short.
<> And it probably is worth reminding the target audience about this. Baby's First Season-Long Arc.
<> Do we need to see the clips? Twilight is telling us what they are!
<@> Pinkie interrupts the flashback
<> Okay, they only did two.
<@> She really does have the Fourth Wall power, and she knows the audience will get bored
<@> So she interrupts
<> And then AJ spent hers...
<> I really like that they verbally acknowledged that part of it was teaching someone else about the element, I was worried that would be left just lying there.
<> Pinkie, leave boneless alone...never mind
<@> Ooh, 3D
<> Okay those keys look awesome!
<> Magic = Friendshp is the moral again.
<@> Eeyup, Discord sold them out
<@> And he looks more like his old self
<> NOT LYRA!
<@> Yeesh, this is a creepy one
<> Twilight, none of you except Flutershy really were friendly with him.
<> It would have been funny if getting her power drained caused DH's eyes to straighten out.
<> No, Derpy!
<> So, EArth Pony Strength Power is canon.
<@> ...How the heck does that work?
<> Take a quick break?
<@> How long?
<> Eh just a couple minutes to discuss that ending.
<@> Start at half past, or sooner?
<> Half past sounds good.
<> Half past sounds good.
<> We'll resume from the 22 minute mark.
<> So yeah, thoughts on part one?
<> I will be mostly quiet in this discussion, since I've seen part two.
<@> It was... whoa
<@> I thought it was surprising when they namedropped Firefly
<> Did they?
<> I am so disapointed in Discord, I thought he knew better.
<> I missed that!
<@> I didn't seriously think they'd gotten Tirek back as well
<@> Yeah, in "Testing, Testing, 1,2,3," it's said that General Firefly founded the Wonderbolts
<> Oh, right.
<> I thought you meant in this episode.
<> Then again as I've always complained, nopony else ever treats him nice besides Fluttershy.
<> And then Twilght goes "But didn't our friendship mean anything?"
<> And you can just hear AJ's airquotes wheever she says "friends" about him.
<> Reap what you sow!
<> I am feeling ranty today aparently.
<> Well, but by the same principle, he's an obnoxious jerk pretty consistently.
<> Yes, it's almost as if he's never had a friend and is learning how to be one.
<> He even bookmarked it for Twilight!
<> DISCORD IS BEST PRINCESS!
<@> He expressed disappointment that he hadn't ruined Twilight's and Cadance's visit
<> No, he has done nice things for them, most notably the book. But he is also actively malicious toward them for his own amusement.
<> That's not "hasn't learned how to be a friend yet," that's "isn't really interested in being friends."
<> He's like a kid punching people because he's bored.
<@> And that's a bad thing
<@> 2 minutes
<> What kind of kid does that!?
<> The boed kind that hasn't learned that it's not okay to do that.
<@> There's only so much you can teach a kid who doesn't know it's not okay to punch people just because he's bored
<@> 1 minute
<> Yeah, that's kind of basic human empathy.
<> Not everybody gets that.
<@> Here... we... go...
<@> (as the Joker would say)
<> Well, sure, but that's not the fault of the people around the kid.
<> I like the Previously On music.
<> So...when was Tirek sealed away anyway?
<@> In G1, that's when
<> He was sealed at least after Discord so he knew that Discord had been sealed.
<> Man, Discord rubbing his hands together in Fluttershy's window is WAY creepier now.
<@> Well, given that Firefly took him down, and Firefly founded the Wonderbolts after the NMM incident
<> Twilight, guard all our shit against the evil super being!
<@> Wait, he knows about Cadance, but not Twilight?
<@> And Discord didn't tell him?
<@> Oops, she's about to get shimmery eyes, isn't she?
<> Cadance is apparently quite old after all.
<> Celestia "No getting your super save the world friends to help" Celestia's plan is brilliant!
<@> Or this is another test
<> SPIRIT BOMB!
<> Well, with the Elements of Harmony gone, there isn't much her friends can do to help.
<@> Yeesh... Twilight's gotta take on all of that?
<@> Ah, so Discord's playing Tirek as well
<> Twilight absorbed the Spirit Bomb to go Super Saiyan!
<> Okay, Twilight, hide somewhere people won't be able to find you!
<> So the black mark on Luna isn't part of her cutie mark.
<@> That answers one fan question
<> Okay Twilight, don't screw up!
<@> So, Twilight IS going to give this power back when it's over, right?
<@> Wow, Twilight's changing the time of day even faster than Discord
<@> Discord's having a crisis of conscience
<> So, how did they beat Tirek ast time?
<> They said, his brother helped.
<> No Twilight, don't lie like that.
<@> Wait, where ARE the others?
<@> Oh, that's where (one of them) is
<@> And she thought flying was rough before!
<> NOT NOW!
<@> She's overloading
<> I hate "I have to do this alone" plots.
<> PONY BALLS!
<@> He tossed them into paintings, like in Super Mario 64
<@> Oh no... is THAT the last key?
<> I love the sandwich sword.
<> I haven't touched that one yet!
<@> So, Discord has to know that Twilight's not actually there
<> Him melting the stained glass is hardcore.
<> NO FLUTTERSHY DON'T CRY
<@> Oh yikes, the fandom wants to clobber Discord right now
<> Fluttershy, you probably feel as bad as I do.
<> Ironic echo!
<@> Well, at least Tirek will have trouble finding her
<@> Or not
<> Oh boy, at least she saved the owl.
<@> Oh, it... is... ON.
<> Yeah. Bye-bye library.
<@> Tirek is going down so hard
<> KAIOKEN TIMES TEN!
<@> Now this is a dark one
<> This is a pretty brutal fight, yeah.
<> Holy geeze it is Pony Ball Z, I was just kidding!
<> Don't do it, that's a really bad idea!
<> Except that if it were Pony Ball Z, this two-parter would have been a season long.
<@> Tirek is going down
<@> Oh yikes, he said the "as you wish" line
<> Discord key time!
<@> It's fitting that it belonged to Tirek's brother
<> Tirek kicked his own ass, the best kind of ironic defeat!
<@> And here comes the Rainbow Power toy line, am I right?
<> MY GUESS WAS RIGHT!
<@> They've been showing ads for it since... YIKES
<> I guessed this sense the season premier!
<@> Oh sheesh those look horrible
<> Twilight is the only one that doesn't look like ass.
<@> It's only temporary, right?
<> The toys look better.
<> OH NO.
<> THE TOYS LOOK BETTER.
<> Should we be worried that the ONLY cell with someone in it in Tartarus is Tirek?
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<@> Mom just said, "What about the library?"
<> Meanwhile the rainbow wave passes through the CMC. They look hopefully at their flanks... nope.
<> And they change back, thank God.
<@> ...A new library?
<> Best palace.
<@> I tought she was gonna live at the Castle of the... ikes
< You can see it from Ponyville.>
<> Yep. Castle of the Two Sisters was a red herring.
<> It was in a flower. What do flowers do? They make seeds.
<@> Ah, she gets her own Council room
<> And I actually think it's on the site of the library, though I'm not sure.
<> Council of Fiendship! Super Friends!
<@> Well, the library did get destroyed
<> Meanwhile, at the Hall of Friendship...
<@> There were only two songs?
<> Feels like this should be a series finally.
<> Hey, there were none in the Discord and Sombra two-parters.
<@> I was expecting Tirek to get a villain song
<@> Uh, the Crystal Empire had three songs
<> Not so much a finale as a relaunch.
<> Discord Celestia?
<> Oh yeah, it did.
<> One last hurrah for that color scheme.
<@> CELESCORD?! MY OTP!
<@> Celestia x Discord!!!!!!!!!!!
<> NO FLUTTERCORD!
<@> BEST. EPISODE. EVER.
<> It as awesome.
<> It wasn't Maud Pie good, but it was good.
<> I am now imagining Tirek vs. Maud Pie.
<> Maud Pie wins.
<> Only if there are large rocks around.
<> Well, obviously, but the collateral damage is horrifying.
<> Specifically, she does nothing while a host of angels appear from nowhere and take care of the problem for her.
<> ...I now actually kind of want to write Paradise Regained with Tirek and Maud.
<@> Because she is our lord and savior
<> And Pinkie is her messenger? Angels were originally eldritch abominations...
<@> Speaking of Milton, I'm currently rehearsing Shaw's "Don Juan in Hell"
<> Sooooo...why didn't Celestia hld that Magic for a mega-fight with Tirek? Twilight seemed to be doing pretty good.
<> ...I'm not familiar with the play, how is that "speaking of Milton"?
<> Once blasted in the horn by a love parasite, twice shy?
<@> In it, the Devil (whom I am playing) talks about Paradise Lost, referring to Milton as one of the "two of the greatest fools who ever lived, an Italian and an Englishman"
<@> (the Italian being Dante)
<> Oh yeah, there's a reason angels traditionally introduced themselves with "be not afraid"
<> So yeah, I was right about what was in the box: positions of leadership and teaching for all of them.
<> Wasn't expecting Spike to be included.
<> Ah, I see.
<> He even gets a little throne, which is more than can be said for Luna.
<> Yeah, Spike gets a throne.
<> Eldritch, yes. Abomination, no. They were sublime, not grotesque.
<> You got here pretty late FoME.
<> Right. Sorry, I tend to associate the words.
<> I am looking forward to the MtG cards from this.
<@> I dunno, the way angels are described in the actual Bible, they sound pretty darn grotesque to me
<> That's okay, my editor caught me out doing something similar in vol. 2. I refer to Scrooge McDuck's sense of "innate superiority," because I associate the words, but there's nothing innate about it. He believes he earned it, not that he was born with it.
<> Let's see, a pillar of rire with a halo of burning eyes, a six winge man with three faces, two of a lion and one of a man, wheels of fire made of legs, yeah angels were not pretty.
<> Really? I think they mostly sound awesome.
<> Well, yeah they are. They are kick ass forces of good. They just aren't pretty little kids with dove wings.
<> Figures I only get the nerve to join one of these at the end of the last one. :P
<> Aww, FoME, these are fun!
<> You should oin in next year.
<> I definitely will.
<> That's my whole point, Whiteeyes: they're eldritch, btu not abominations.
<> Yes, join us!
<> ...I should find some other show we can do these for for the rest of the year.
<@> Rick and Morty?
<> Log Horrizon?
<> I know not what these shows are.
<> Aphilosophically and social comentary focused anime
<> That's also got action.
<> Well, I think I'm vageuly aware of Rick and Morty. I think it's an Adult Swim original series? So I steered clear...
<> i watched a couple episodes. It's really not my things.
<> Wait, it's Dan Harmon?
<> That's... potentially interesting.
<> So, does anyone else think this was the best Season finally to date?
<@> It might very well be
<> ...do you mean best season finale, or that it ended up being the best season in the end?
<> Thought actually my answer is the same for both: yes.
<> Season 1 was meh, Season 2 felt lie it had a rushed ending, Season 3 was a controversy sparker of forest fire level, so yeah, as far as finallys themselves go, this was great!
<> It was... erratic. It certainly had the best episodes.
<> And it wasn't the damn GGG.
<> That was just disapointing.
<> I have liked all the season finales, but I do feel like they've gotten consecutively better as they went.
<> The GGG just didn't feel like a finally, it elt like a regular episode that just happened to end the season.
<> It asn't a bad episode, but damned by faint praise, you know?
<> Well, it wasn't meant to be a finale. The Discord episode was.
<> Which makes me wonder what two episodes were added last-minute to cover the gap...
<> Huh..I wonder too....quick, insert your most disliked episodes!
<> Actually, S4 has exactly the structure that the original S1 plan called for:
<> Weren't "The Ticket Master" and "Look Before You Sleep" going to be lumped together, back when they planned two cartoons per episode?
<> Slightly more adventure than we got, half-arc season, big social event as the second-to-last episode, starting and ending two-parters about ancient evils returning.
<> They were?
<> ....oh my God S4 is best S1.
<> Heck, this is the first I've heard that they were ever planning two shorts per episode.
<> Same here on that front.
<> FoME, source?
<> I could be wrong. Probably am. I thought I read it in one of Faust's deviantArt comments.
<@> First I'd heard of it too
<> Years ago, at that. Yeah, let's just disregard crazyface over here.
<> Oh, it's entirely possible. I don't actually know that much about the show's production history.
<> It was probably scraped early on, but I could see it being considered early on.
<> Shows like this have to question what to do with those dieas.
<> So, any final thoughts on the ep before I copypasta over to the blog?
<> Is it better for one long episode, or two shorts? Both have their pros and cons
<> I think for this show, the longer format works better.
<> I blame the Rainbow Power design on the Tree of Harmony being a tree.
<> The only thing it knows how to do with color is attract pollinators.
<> Tirek's powers should have been evil dark rainbow colored...and PONY BALL Z YAH!
<> FoME: Interesting. Explain?
<@> Trees aren't known for their fashion sense
<> Oh. Lol.
<@> Well, some trees are...
<> Tree fashion, definatly the cause of all the design problems.
<> Anyway, I think the longer format works better for a show that isn't going for wackiness as its main aesthetic. It allows for a slightly calmer pace, more room for subtler forms of characterization, that kind of thing.
<> I agree.
<> Indeed. Assuming I'm not misremembering, that's what Lauren fought for.
<> Brony fandom probably would never have spawned in a world with shorter skits.
<> While something like Adventure Time, say, definitely works well as 11-minute eps.
<> Okay, copypastaing.<> Adventure Time has a mor meta plot that has made we shed pools of liquid pride.
<> I still cry whenever I watch "I Know You".
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<> Oh, I'm not saying it lacks characterization or emotion!
<> I'm just saying it's frenetically paced in a way that works well with the 11-minute format.
<> Adventure Time maintains a constant high level of energy. MLP is a bit calmer and slower.
<> It's like the Ice King is her grandpa suffering from Alzheimers! It's so sad!
<> Yes, I know. They've done an AMAZING job with Ice King.
<> Yes it is, and as such has as a result more nuance per episode per character, rather than slwly dishing it out over the seasons.
<> I can no longer think of the Cheer's theme without tearing up.
<> Yeah, what they did with Ice King was amazing.